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On May 2010, I posted a question on MJJCommunity forum, trying to find out if a list of all of the official versions of Michael Jackson's songs existed.  I was looking for a complete list. Few people were interested by this topic and there didn't exist a real complete list, so I decided to create one. I also decided to create complete lists of the official versions of Jackson 5 and Jacksons' songs.

The Problem is, there are errors and duplicates on the list I found on the internet, so my purpose was to make a list as complete and error free as possible. I began to group different lists that I found on websites such as Bubblesland, MJFC, MJJC (MJ Tempest's), MJDatabank and informations found on MJFrance. Then I highlighted versions according to the site where they were found. For example, when a version came from Bubblesland, I highlighted it with Yellow.  So when a version was found on several lists, I highlighted it in several colours.  On the other side, when the version had only one highlighted colour, that maybe meant it was either a mistake or a duplicate.

Then I looked all of the Discogs for checking each version. I have also listed all record releases for each version.  This step took me a long time but I have done that just for Michael's solo songs list. I will not publish the full version of this list containing all discs. I simplified the list, summarizing the main disc.  I listed all the records I've found, only when it was necessary for some versions. Then I also checked each release on "Michaeljacksondiscography.fr" web site.

Later, I also scanned several other sites, like Jackson5abc, (especially for Jackson 5 songs), MJstrangersite, Michaeljacksoncatalog, MJJVault, Jacksonstreet.nl, MJJCollectors.com, Korgnex's list, Steve Hoffman Forums, Top40musiconcd, among others.

For the last step, I used the book "Michael Jackson - For The Record" (2nd Edition) to record all relevant information and check the official versions that are listed. I did the same thing for making Jackson 5 and The Jacksons' lists.

I also added my knowledge and personal discoveries.

After collecting all those informations, I grouped them and worked on lists, trying to confirm the existence and authenticity of the versions, to avoid any errors or duplicates.  I did not simply copy and paste lists that I found on the Internet.  I did thorough research.  I put a cross by each version that I was sure (or I believe it could be) about, for finding the versions for which I had no information or I was missing informations. This allowed me to then list all the questions I would have to ask.

This is the final step: Ask around various people, to hopefully find out informations that are missing from my lists. So I sent questions to some fans that I know to have much knowledge about Michael's music, but I also sent many private messages to member of Discogs. This final step was very long winded and it took a long just to find the littlest of information.  For example, to know what were the correct durations of the remixes for "Is It Scary". Between the countless misprints on the discs and the fakes circulating on the internet, it was not so obvious.

Once obtained the latest information, my lists were complete. It has taken me 2 years. It's been hours and hours ! I can't even estimate the number of hours that I spent so much time on it. Obviously I have not spent 24h/24 on it, I did that when I had time.

Here are the sites I have visited to build my lists: 

Billiejean.be
Bubblesland
Discogs
Encyclopediejacksonniene
Jackson Village
Jackson5abc (Site & Forum)
Jacksonstreet.nl
Korgnex's list (Unreleased Tracks / Non-Album-Tracks / Later-Released-Tracks)
Michael Jackson - For The Record (2nd Edition)
Michaeljacksoncatalog.com
MichaelJacksonDiscography
MJ Data Bank
MJ Stranger Site
MJ Street
MJCollectorland
MJFC
MJFrance
MJJCollection.unblog.fr
MJJCollectors
MJJCommunity Forum
MJJVault
Steve Hoffman Forums
Top 40 Music On CD
Wikipedia

And so many sites that I found during my searches.

I thank everyone who helped me directly or indirectly by the information they gave, by their websites and/or their posts on sites and forums, as well as their responses to my questions :

Aaronk, Bboy87, BottleOfSmoke, Brian W., Bubbles / Tdrcau, Chris Cadman, Dancing_fool, Dangerous Incorporated, Dave Seaman, DefMixFan, Disco-funk, DJGreek, DJMichaelAngelo, Forever_Young_1981, Franeck, Frekrueg, Funkylady, Gareth Cooke, Grant / The Hits Man, Jeff H., JohnC, JonathanRhodes, Korgnex, MaestroOne, MaJic, Marko, Michackson, MJ Tempest, MJBenito, Mjchris, Mjdestiny, MJJTradeFan, MJRemixed, Mjrico, Naz_mijac, Nick2341, Portishead, Richard Lecocq, RICKJANE, Roger Sanchez, Roll, Roscoe, Sebastien Caron, Slayd5000, Sunset And The Dawn, Szarkad, Tony Moran, Tristan, Waldo / JTJMM, Yannick Gest, Yiannis Elia, Yoann, Zoub52.

Thank you to everyone who responded on Discogs to my questions and everyone I may be forgetting.

Special thanks to:

DefMixFan, Grant / The Hits Man, Korgnex, Mjdestiny, Naz_mijac, Nick2341 and Waldo / JTJMM.

Thank you to Naz_mijac for his list of Motown alternate mixes which helped me.


I tried (when I could) to list the correct durations of the songs. That is to say, the duration of the music only. The times do not include the silences at the beginning and end of a track.

Feel free to comment if you have any questions, comments, suggestions or anything else ! The purpose is to have a list as complete and accurate as possible !

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En mai 2010, j’ai posté un sujet sur MJJCommunity pour savoir s’il existait une liste de toutes les versions officielles des chansons de Michael Jackson. Je cherchais une liste complète. Voyant que peu de personne participait au sujet et qu’il n’existait pas de réelle liste complète, j’ai décidé d’en créer une. J’ai également décidé de créer des listes complètes sur les Jackson 5 et les Jacksons.

Le problème c’est qu’il y a des erreurs et/ou des doublons dans les listes qu’on trouve sur Internet et mon but était d’obtenir une liste la plus complète et la plus correcte possible. J’ai commencé par regrouper les différentes listes venant des sites Bubblesland, MJFC, MJJC (celle de MJ Tempest), MJDatabank et des informations présentes sur MJFrance. Ensuite, je surlignais les versions en fonction du site où elles étaient listées. Par exemple, quand une version venait de Bubblesland, je la surlignais en jaune. Donc quand une version était présente sur plusieurs listes, elle était surlignée de plusieurs couleurs à la fois. Mais par contre quand une version n’était surlignée que d’une seule couleur, ça signifiait peut-être que c’était une erreur ou un doublon.

Après ça, j’ai fais le tour complet de Discogs pour vérifier chaque version. J’ai également listé tous les disques pour chacune des versions. Cette étape m’a prit beaucoup de temps mais je ne l’ai faite que pour la liste concernant Michael.  Par contre, je ne publierai pas la version complète de cette liste contenant tous les disques. J’ai simplifié la liste en résumant les principaux disques. J’ai listé tous les disques que j’ai trouvé uniquement quand cela était nécessaire pour certaines versions. Ensuite, j’ai aussi vérifié chaque version avec le site Michaeljacksondiscography.fr.

Après, j’ai également fais le tour complet de plusieurs autres sites comme Jackson5abc (pour les Jackson 5 surtout), MJStrangersite, Michaeljacksoncatalog, MJJVault, Jacksonstreet.nl, MJJCollectors.com, la liste de Korgnex, Steve Hoffman Forums, Top40musiconcd ainsi que d’autres sites.

En dernière étape, j’ai fais le tour complet du livre "Michael Jackson - For The Record" (2nd Edition) pour noter toutes les informations utiles et vérifier les versions officielles qui y sont listées.

J’ai répété ces étapes pour établir les listes sur les Jackson 5 et les Jacksons.

En plus de ça, j’ai évidemment apporté mes connaissances et découvertes personnelles.

Après avoir accumulé toutes ces informations, je les ai regroupé et j’ai travaillé sur les listes en essayant de m’assurer de l’existence et de l’authenticité des versions pour éviter au maximum les erreurs et doublons. Je ne me suis pas contenté de copier-coller bêtement les listes trouvés sur Internet, j’ai fais un véritable travail de recherche. Ensuite, j’ai barré chaque version pour lesquels j’étais sûr (ou que je crois être sûr) afin de voir les versions pour lesquels je n’avais pas d’informations ou pour lesquels il me manquait des informations. Cela m’a permit ensuite de lister toutes les questions que j’aurais à poser.

C’est là qu’est arrivé l’étape finale : poser les questions aux personnes capable de m’apporter des réponses afin d’obtenir les dernières informations manquantes pour terminer mes listes. J’ai donc envoyé des questions à certains fans que je connais comme ayant beaucoup de connaissances sur la musique de Michael, mais j’ai également envoyé des tas de messages privés aux personnes sur Discogs. Cette étape finale a été très longue et il m’a fallu parfois attendre longtemps juste pour avoir une petite information. Par exemple pour savoir quelles étaient les vraies durées des remix de "Is It Scary ". Entre les innombrables erreurs d'impressions sur les disques et les fakes qui circulent sur Internet, cela n’a pas été évident.

Une fois les dernières informations obtenues, mes listes étaient terminées. Cela m’aura pris au total 2 ans. Cela aura été des heures et des heures de travail ! Je ne peux même pas évaluer le nombre d'heures tellement que j’ai passé de temps dessus. Evidemment, je n’ai pas passé 24h/24 dessus, je faisais ça quand j’avais le temps.

Voici les sites que j’ai parcourus pour établir mes listes :
Billiejean.be
Bubblesland
Discogs
Encyclopediejacksonniene
Jackson Village
Jackson5abc (Site & Forum)
Jacksonstreet.nl
Liste de Korgnex (Unreleased Tracks / Non-Album-Tracks / Later-Released-Tracks)
Michael Jackson - For The Record (2nd Edition)
Michaeljacksoncatalog.com
MichaelJacksonDiscography
MJ Data Bank
MJ Stranger Site
MJ Street
MJCollectorland
MJFC
MJFrance
MJJCollection.unblog.fr
MJJCollectors
MJJCommunity Forum
MJJVault
Steve Hoffman Forums
Top 40 Music On CD
Wikipedia


Ainsi que des nombreux autres sites sur lesquels je suis tombé lors de mes recherches.

Je remercie toutes les personnes qui m’ont aidé de manière directe ou indirecte grâce aux informations qu’ils m’ont donné via leurs sites et/ou leurs messages sur les sites et forums et/ou leurs réponses à mes questions :

Aaronk, Bboy87, BottleOfSmoke, Brian W., Bubbles / Tdrcau, Chris Cadman, Dancing_fool, Dangerous Incorporated, Dave Seaman, DefMixFan, Disco-funk, DJGreek, DJMichaelAngelo, Forever_Young_1981, Franeck, Frekrueg, Funkylady, Gareth Cooke, Grant / The Hits Man, Jeff H., JohnC, JonathanRhodes, Korgnex, MaestroOne, MaJic, Marko, Michackson, MJ Tempest, MJBenito, Mjchris, Mjdestiny, MJJTradeFan, MJRemixed, Mjrico, Naz_mijac, Nick2341, Portishead, Richard Lecocq, RICKJANE, Roger Sanchez, Roll, Roscoe, Sebastien Caron, Slayd5000, Sunset And The Dawn, Szarkad, Tony Moran, Tristan, Waldo / JTJMM, Yannick Gest, Yiannis Elia, Yoann, Zoub52.
Merci également à toutes les personnes sur Discogs qui ont répondu à mes questions et à tous ceux que j’oublie peut-être.

Remerciements spéciaux à :

DefMixFan, Grant / The Hits Man, Korgnex, Mjdestiny, Naz_mijac, Nick2341 et Waldo / JTJMM.
Merci à Naz_mijac pour sa liste des mix alternatifs de Motown qui m’a apporté de l’aide.
J’ai essayé (quand j’ai pu) de mettre les vraies durées des chansons c’est-à-dire la durée de la musique uniquement, sans compter les silences au début et à la fin.


N’hésitez pas à commenter si vous avez des questions, des remarques, des suggestions ou quoi que ce soit d'autre ! Le but est d’avoir une liste la plus complète et la plus correcte possible !

 
Merci Shymie pour ton aide sur le blog.

Merci Sabe

27 commentaires:

  1. WOW! glad i could be a help to you! i'm going to be hooked for weeks reading all this.. great stuff! ;)))

    Justin / Waldo / JTJMM

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  2. great work!

    Do you know by chance the exact difference between Fly Away (3:26) (2001 BAD SE edit) and Fly Away (2:46) (1999 BAD SE acetate edit)?

    ps: where's Got The Hots & SPYHO?

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  3. For Fly Away, no sorry, I have just the durations :(

    Got The Hots and SPYHO have only one version, isn't it ?

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  4. SPYHO (4:33) is on the 1999 BAD SE acetate
    Got The Hots is a few seconds shorter on some KOP cds

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  5. Yes, exact for SPYHO !! I didn't noticed this ! Thank you ! I will add it.

    I listen to several KOP CDs (french, italian, australian, german, dutch editions) and it is the same version as the one on Thriller 25. The duration is exactly 4:26. On KOP CDs, the sound is lower between 4:25 and 4:26 compared to Thriller 25, but all the versions end at 4:26.

    Thank you very much for your coment :)

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  6. thank you for creating such a useful list.

    If I may suggest something: To make this list complete please list all official released songs, even if there's not a 2nd version of it (e.g. Just Good Friends).

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  7. fly away on 1999 has no intro & outro. compared to 2001 release: song starts at around 0:46 and it fades out just as the adlibs start. the 2001 release has only partial adlibs, full adlibs can be heard on rebbie's version

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  8. someone put your hand out on 1999 acetate is not an early version - it is just an edit of the 1992 pepsi release (some say it is the actual radio edit that got canceled due to the chandler case)

    sunset driver on 1999 otw acetate has a play time of 3:36

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    1. I updated SPYHO and added Sunset Driver.

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  9. - I only list songs which have more than one version. :)

    - Thank you for the detail about Fly Away.

    - Ok, thank you for SPYHO and Sunset Driver. I will add/change them.

    Thank you :)

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  10. becane.. you can add The Jacksons Dr. Pepper jingle.. there are 2 official versions of "Be A Pepper" each lasting around a minute.. one issued on a promotional cd has a quick one-second spoken introduction/voiceover by an unknown male and the version issued on an official cassette tape in 1979 does not feature the intro at all and therefore is a more complete version.

    Justin / Waldo

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    1. "Be A Pepper" is already listed but I didn't know that there were two versions. The version I listed is the one on the 1995 promo CD "Dr Pepper And Y&R 25th Anniversary" : http://mjofficialversions.blogspot.fr/2012/01/blame-it-on-boogie.html

      Could you tell me more about this cassette tape from 1979 ? :) I believe I saw this cassette on the Michael Jackson Archives group on FB, but I though it was the same version as the one on the promo CD...

      Thanks Justin :)

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    2. right! it's the same version but doesn't include the voiceover saying "for Dr Pepper here are the Jacksons featuring Michael Jackson"

      Justin

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    3. Ok ! Do you have the photo of this cassette tape from 1979 ? :)

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  11. yes.. i have the cassette. here's a picture.

    http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i258/waldo109/421.jpg

    Justin

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  12. becane... please could you tell me where to find these versions, where were they issued?

    Who's Loving You:
    Edited Album Version (3:42)

    Dancing Machine:
    Stereo Album Version #2 (2:41)
    Mono Album Version #2 (2:41

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    1. Hi

      Go in the right pane, there are details for all versions :)

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    2. WHOO HOO.. amazing work.. very helpful..

      Waldo

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  13. BECANE.. you have done an OUTSTANDING job. this is by far the best list i've seen like this ever! :-) my #1 favourite blog

    Waldo

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  14. Thank you ! ^^

    That's why I spent 2 years to do this work... :)

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  15. Becane.. i recently discovered this.. you could include it under P.Y.T. - it includes vocals by Michael not featured on the Thriller LP or the demo on TUC in 2004.

    http://www.discogs.com/Daft-Punk-vs-Michael-Jackson-Daft-Michael/release/176372

    the mix is on YouTube for you to listen.

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    1. Yes, but it's an unofficial release, so I can't list this mashup. :)

      Anyway, thank you for this find :)

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  16. oh okay. i just thought that since you include other unofficial demo's like Hot Street and She's Trouble you would want to include this mix as it clearly uses vocals from an unreleased demo too.

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  17. Merci beaucoup pour ce site qui est devenu ma bible de référence pour les chansons de MJ.
    Le travail effectué est énorme, félicitations !

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